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Daily Gut: Murder Needs No Footnote
Updated 3 months, 1 week ago
Source: http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/
President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act, which by some weird circumstance also includes hate crime legislation.
Now, I’m no fan of hate. Hate in all forms is ugly, even when performed by beautiful people (that’s a shout out to Stephanie Von Pratt, who turned me down for my senior prom). But here’s what I don’t get: If I kill someone, I’m a killer. But hate crime law says that I also broke a new law, one that has to do with my thoughts when ...
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beebs 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Doesn't matter if he was killed for being gay, or because he happened to be low on cash at the moment. The guy was murdered. Period. A heinous crime, indeed. But I would defend to death the right of those scums to think or feel about Matthew (or anyone else for that matter) however they like. Once we start criminalizing thought and making Matthew's life more valuable because he's gay ... See all content
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@Artie241 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Would we even have heard of Matthew Shepherd had he not been gay? I seriously doubt it. Whatever happened to the Jesse Dirkheising story? That's all forgotten about. But the perpetrators were gay so they could not/would not be convicted of a hate crime.
I agree with California Dave with one addition – the perpetrator also has to be straight. Being a Christian would help too.
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Iokobos 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
How does adding *hate* to the crime make it more criminal? A bunch of kids attacked an adult. End of story. Every crime has a motive, yet some motives are now worse than others. I don't care about motives except that they tell us how we can predict and avoid that crime in the future, not as an enhancement to the crime itself.
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yossarian22 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I do not plan on committing any crimes either, and so this law will not affect me, that is unless i am the victim of a crime. Then, I can be damn certain that if i am so unfortunate to be a victim, that is all I will be, not a hate crime victim, just a victim. If the law is applied equally across the board, regardless of the race or whatever of the perp, then many of the complaints will go away. But ... See all content
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CAP 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I'm encouraged to see you posting your thoughts here! You have a good brain! Just be careful of those radical leftist "friends." When it comes down to it, they are not friends, nor are they friends of liberty, yours or mine. They'll be the ones behind the monitors looking to throw you into the re-education camps. It is a terrible situation we find ourselves in when the schools have ... See all content
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Average Joe 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Good question. To be honest I don't really get it myself. I know that they prosecuted this guy named Ernst Zundel a few years ago. He was a holocaust denier with a following. You could say he incited persecution toward Jews by saying they made up the whole thing. On the other hand there's a French activist who wants the province of Quebec to separate and he says outrageous things about the ... See all content
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thinker 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I think the premise of the piece is purposely a little too disingenuous. Thoughts aren't against the law as we all well know. You are free to think whatever vile, criminal, violent, deviant thoughts against whomever you wish. It's when you act on them that they become crimes. Crimes make you a criminal, not your thoughts. Having said that, I agree with the initial thought that hate crime ... See all content
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CaliforniaDave 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Thank you for the link. I had asked the question honestly simply because there are a plethora of white-attacking-black hate crimes that are publicized and almost no black-on-white hate crime coverage. The only "personal slant" I have is in the unevenness of application – I agree with Ken in that the laws should apply to everyone equally, and I feel that it isn't happening here ... See all content
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AnotherCADave 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I looked up the details of the case, and here's the quote "‘It was a terrible crime, a horrendous crime, but race was not a motive. We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialised with white people, dated white people.
'So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there’s evidence to the contrary
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WeaponX 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Dave, I'm citing more the logic or lackthereof in this whole idea. All violent crimes on some level are committed out of some hatred to give special categories based on skin color is both ludicrous and frankly racist. Also the absolute double standard wherein only white people can be accused of hate crimes is even more idiotic. Find me one case where a person of a different ethnic group has been ... See all content
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yossarian22 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Hate crime laws further divide us, which is what the libs are shooting for. We are all equal, it is just some of us are more equal than others. That is evident when the Justice Department comes swooping in immediately once a crime is commited against a protected or favored class. On the flip side, a crime against, say an average straight white guy by any combination of the following, gay, black, hispanic ... See all content
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AnotherCADave 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Can you please give evidence of anybody being prosecuted for a hate crime against a known Islamic terrorist, before making really broad, sweeping generalizations like that? The term "Hate Crime" is a pretty limited term for crimes committed against a person SOLELY because that person is of a certain group. If you take it upon yourself to murder a Muslim terrorist because he's the terrorist ... See all content
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AnotherCADave 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
If you did any sort of research instead of relying on your personal slant, you would in fact find there are cases of black men being prosecuted under hate crime law. Here's one instance from our state (since I live in CA too): http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/crimprof_blog/20...
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Ken in Irvine 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Yeah, this is my big problem with the hate crime laws: they are not color-blind and end up acting as minority-crime laws instead of hate crime laws.
I say this because it seems that whenever a white man commits a crime against a non-white man, the immediate assumption is "hate crime". On the other hand, any crime against a white man or woman by a non-white has to be "carefully
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brokenarrow 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
So, when some mystery person slashed my parents' car's tires Halloween night before last year's election …AND removed their pro-McCain sticker from the car at the same time — does that make it a hate crime? Should, I would think…And by the way, never did catch the folks, and they continued to slash random tires in the neighborhood randomly on several other occasions ... See all content
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Von 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Canada's hate crime laws are truly screwed up. Read this article and then decide if they've got it figured out.
http://reason.com/archives/2009/05/04/the-interne...
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kira 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I just hate hate crimes, wait a minute I can't hate hate crimes because then I would be committing a hate crime, and then that's like a crime. But what if I liked hate crimes? Then would that make me a liker of hate. So am I a hate crimer or like crimer? Or who is to say what I am supposed to hate or like? What am I supposed to not hate? Mmmm – is there a list of things not to hate ... See all content
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Thebutlerdidit 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
But, but, isnt all of life just about feeeeeeeeeelings? Just ask any lib, they seem to think so. Good gravy, death is death, usually you were pretty miffed if you killed someone over something. Do we need a decorder ring for everything in this country?
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TyroneSlothrop 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Gosh, I think it's worse if you don't hate somebody when you kill them. I mean, isn't there a special animus directed at "cold-blooded" killers? At least hate implies a reason as opposed to killing for no reason at all.
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Ren 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
South Park, anyone?
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/151849
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The_Great_Satan 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Because houses of worship are traditionally recognized as "safe havens" for lack of a better term.
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The_Great_Satan 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
…..what happens to cop or child killing criminals………
They should be charged with special circumstances, no need for redundant laws such as "hate crime" when murder, battery, etc are already against the law. I think those that murder people in places of worship should automatically get the death penalty, along with child killers and cop killers.
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maatkare 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
So… the only way to settle this for sure is to find someone sent away specifically under a hate crime conviction, and help them appeal all the way to the Supreme Court to get the law proven unconstitutional. (Ugh. I hate the thought of even remotely siding with a criminal, even if they're right) But if you overturn it on the grounds that all lives are equal, and therefore the killer of a ... See all content
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LiberalKookDetector 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Hate crime legislation is just another way liberals pretend to care about the people who vote them into office.
I'll just refer you all to one of my favorite intellectuals, Thomas Sowell, who wrote this article 8 days after the Matthew Shepard murder in 1998
"Murder is Murder!", Thomas Sowell, 10/20/1998:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell10209
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The_Great_Satan 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
What if a gay guy kills a straight guy, is that a hate crime? Is it possible to murder someone without it being a hate crime? What if the gun has a smiley face on it, could it be classified as a happy crime? But more importantly, how did we get these retards in congress?
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malclave 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Actually, no… women have been officially designated as a Victim Group (TM) by the Democrats, so that would still be a hate crime. So, you need to stick with killing men.
Though, now that I think about it, conservative women are officially Not Real Women (TM), so you can kill conservative women. And conservative African Americans… they've forfeited the protection of Big Brother
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DukeN 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
The worst part of this new law (even worse than its overarching stupidity) is that double jeopardy pertains. If tried in state court and not convicted under this law you can be tried in a federal court. Look for it to hit the Supreme Court and be overturned. Even a wise Latina racist won't let double jeopardy go.
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LLOROB 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
It depends on the "ONE" if he had recently given U of L a big stimulus amount I would say
cancel your home delivery as you may be away for awhile. If U of L is the hated rival of
"NBR TWO" the missus then you are ok. Where it gets a bit iffy is what school the Judge
you will be faced with went to. With this new found power and the Judges wife attended………
well
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ToddM 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Newt started off great and had a great idea. It was good enough that the 100 days thing has stuck with everyone since, including Obama and Pelosi. I hope that the Republican's have heard enough sincere dissention in the ranks that they might actually pull their heads out. There's younger blood in now and the old dogs are retiring, but not quick enough. I'm still not holding my breath ... See all content
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Rachaels 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Scary, yes. But I do find incouragement in sites like this that allow us to sound off on issues. Like the biblical tower of Babel, the media market is so fractured these days the goverment can't control everything. They can put out slick press releases all day long, but you and I know what's going on, and we refuse to be fooled. The dissapointment comes from seeing our (MINORITY OPINION) ... See all content
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PerfectTommy 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Jesus said in the Sermon on the Mount:
21"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder,and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' 22But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!'
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ToddM 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Potatoes – I had to consult my Dan Quayle commemorative dictionary. I'm sure the Republicans will pick up a good number of seats next year. But if they take over, it will take some time and effort to fix the effects of the excessive spending. The stuff that came from Bush and the constant spending spree by Obama and this congress.
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T-Rav 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
So if you kill someone who's black or gay or a cross-dresser or whatever in Canada, and it comes out later that you made fun of those groups in the past, but this didn't evidently have anything to do with the killing itself, does that constitute a hate crime? Not engaging in "gotcha" stuff here, I know practically nothing about the Canadian legal system and I do know enough to admit ... See all content
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bcrane 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Back in the early 90's when I was getting my B.S. in Criminology, hate crimes were coming into vogue and were often discussed in class. They do nothing to prevent crime, but what they are able to do is get a crime recorded as something much more nefarious than it would normally be. It was near Halloween when some hate crime laws were on the ballot back in the early 90's. A fairly normal 'crime' ... See all content
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LLOROB 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
For a bunch that totally ignores the constitution and apparently is not afraid that anyone
will stand up to them for the constitution an attachment of a few riders of questionable
legality I would classify small potatoes, did I spell potatoes right?
I hope the next congress if staffed as we hope take office they will take time to correct
these errors/laws of poor
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spinalcracker 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I know what you mean and that thought did occur to me.
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No_Big_Gov 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
We already have sensitivity training. That is your thought rehab. Hate speech is becoming the trend for the radical lefties. If you disagree, if you form your own opinion contrary to theirs and you vocalize that opinion, however benign it is, you are using hate speech and it should be silenced. That is their thinking. Calling someone a racist is starting to not work, so they had to think of something ... See all content
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StanH 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
While we are paying attention to healthcare and Cap-n-Tax these are the little goodies our leftist radicals are slipping into American society. Hate Crimes are simply part of the overreaching liberal conspiracy. Pay attention America much more of this crap to come.
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Todd Maxwell 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
What about the problem of defending or even prosecuting hate crime charges? I know they do this already, but I'm baffled as to what body of tangible evidence could be produced to promote either case. I'm no lawyer, but how could any such evidence be anything other than hearsay? Part of the reason why hate crimes are prosecutable is because the defendant is already on trial for something more ... See all content
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CorporalO 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
You're right to be uncertain of what this means. Hate crime legislation is in fact Orwellian "Thought Crime" legislation bundled with your usual laws against murder or assault. However unconstitutional or unenforceable it is, decent folks won't protest it because they don't expect to do any murdering or assaulting. However you can see how once Government gets this one past ... See all content
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syvyn11 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Where does it end? I hate University of Louisville. So if I run onto the field and disrupt a football game, can they charge me with a hate crime?
I hope that the courts can strike this down quickly.
But it seems that BHO thinks the constitution is just a G=D D–n piece of paper.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Where does it end? I hate University of Louisville. So if I run onto the field and disrupt a football game, can they charge me with a hate crime? I hope that the courts can strike this down quickly. But it seems that BHO thinks the constitution is just a G=D D--n piece of paper.
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Cam Winston 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Everyone is missing the most important item from the post, so I'll take the lead: Greg, exactly what kind of uniform is Courtney Friel wearing?
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Everyone is missing the most important item from the post, so I'll take the lead: Greg, exactly what kind of uniform is Courtney Friel wearing?
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Average Joe 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
I guess you could try.
It's funny that someone gave me a -1. All I did was give an example of how hate crime laws work here.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Thought Crimes Legislation? How does one prosecute newThought crimes? What dangerous new precedents will this set? Do juries now have to weigh newThought into every case no matter how minor (or only those cases where the accused looks WASPy)? The ACLU just got the green light to go after Christians WITHIN their own churches. Goodbye free speech. They just stabbed you in the heart.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Hate crimes are like affirmative action for crimes... But why? Aren't all crimes equally bad? This just confuses the point. Why twist the law up like this instead of keeping it simple?
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
The ironic thing is we know Islamic Terrorist kill because they hate us yet to the left their hate is not their crime, it is ours. What did we do to make Terrorist hate us? However were we to kill an Islamic Terrorist we would be accused of doing so because they were Arabic and therefore committing a "Hate Crime". It is a very twisted rabbitt hole we are falling down and I don't know ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
i'm eighteen, and even i see the Orwellian parallels. i persistently get in arguments with my radically leftist friends concerning the fact that in the last 10, almost 11, months, we've been inching closer and closer to a f451/1984 society. everything is growing to be "offensive" and now having an opinion can be illegal. dworkin writes that merely suggesting an idea or thought doesn't ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
I think in Mass. if you married "Bill Schultz the sequential Hermorphadite" first it then is only a crime of passion. Then you would only have to worry about your future cell mates proclivity and It will look so much better for you in the newspaper.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
If we need hate crime laws it stands to reason that we need legislation directed to the epidemic of " I really, really like you" crimes that plague our society.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
My take is that to attach it to a defense funding bill is wrong. It shows you couldn't pass it on it's own merits and have to bribe your collegues into voting for it. I'm not for hate either, but attaching bills to others just to pass it should be outlawed. I'm sure congress will get right on that.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Okay. You murder, assualt & battery, rape, etc. someone and that's a crime. You hated that person because of some criteria that is listed as a hate crime or you didn't hate them for anything listed but the victim is part of a group that is listed. So if you don't commit murder, assualt & battery, rape, etc. but still think hateful thoughts about that person. Isn't that still ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
pretty simple on an orwellian level, thought crime. so it will enable the prosecution of the thought of the act whether the act was committed or not. i don'tmind if they can ladle on the years ,we know that they have been peeling them off for years. but the insidious aspects of this tie into the identity and empowerment of the so-called oppressed. let's look at less violent crimes and consider ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
hate crime's not that straight forward, at least not in Canada. You have to publicly incite hatred against a particular group in a way that might incite violence or you have to publicly support something like genocide against a particular ethnic, religious or racial group. http://www.media-awareness.ca/english/resources/l... I don't know if that's exactly what's been passed in the ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Matthew Shepard's killers beat and tortured him to death, not because he was gay, but because he only had $30.00 in his wallet and therefore had wasted their precious mugging-for-drug-money time. The intent of murderers is always hateful, whether they're murdering because of your skin color and ethnicity, or because they want your Nike shoes. You've got it on the money, Greg: this is ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
there is no such thing as a "hate crime", all there is is crime. if you are killed, you are dead. and he/she/it who took your life is more than likely a murderer. unless they are liberal, and are striking a blow for libdom, in which case they are heroes and won't be held accountable. anyway, hate crime law tries to divine intent, and that intent is the beginning of thought crime. I will ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Most crimes are hate! Or based on some sort of hate. We need to stop labeling these events, just to let someone feel better. Murder is murder, plain and simple. Funny there's no hate crime for abortion. That's just convenience.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
But it's only a hate crime if the perpetrator is white. Ever hear of a black man prosecuted under a hate crime law if he killed a white man? Me either.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Hate crime laws are a twist on the Orwellian "Some are more equal than others" principle. Some murders are more heinous than others if the victim falls within a protected class. It's ironic that this stand comes from leftists that otherwise fall all over themselves to release criminals from any responsibility for their actions, therefore, from serving any meaningful penalty.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
I agree. Like unions, any purpose that hate crimes once served is now moot. We are a post=racial society, and I haven't heard of any gay-lynchings in the news in a long time. If I recall correctly, in the 90s they were as commonplace as school shootings, and those seemed to happen every other week.
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
Hate crime laws are social engineering. The entire concept is to declare certain special interest groups as 'off limits' and thus influence social interaction towards them. This perfectly explains why the idiocy has been expanded to include 'homophobia'. It's blatant pandering to the gay community. The reason they stick around as a concept is because it's a difficult position ... See all content
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3 months, 1 week ago on Intensedebate
my problem is now adding gays to the mix, how does one proove they don't hate gays? i mean while either they are born that way, or throught life expierence become gay, but that does not mean i have to like them. where am i wrong? i once lived in a gay area in chicago, it did not bother me they live in my building, and the neighborhood, but it also didn't want me to try and befriend them either ... See all content
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