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Nullification: Another Line of Defense Against D.C.
Updated 4 months, 1 week ago
Source: http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/
Those of you who visit this site regularly already know that the health care vote yesterday is far from the end of things – and also know that even when it passes the Senate (which I assume some version will), it’s still not the end of the road for freedom.
The real way to resist DC is not by begging politicians and judges in Washington to allow us to exercise our rights…it’s to exercise our rights whether they want to give us “permission” to or not.
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Dave – each act of resistance (and that’s what nullification really is) can bring a different response from the feds.
But, there are two very prominent modern examples in practice this very moment – medical marijuana and real id.
You can read a little more about these and other efforts at this link.
Exactly how and if nullification of a major federal law would work is certainly in question as it has not been attempted in modern times. But, what if 20 or so state legislatures began to hold hearings on nullification, and if those 20 or so Governors flat out say that their state will nullify the Health Care Reform Act as unconstituional - wouldn't that shake Washington to its core? I believe ... See all content
Exactly how and if nullification of a major federal law would work is certainly in question as it has not been attempted in modern times. But, what if 20 or so state legislatures began to hold hearings on nullification, and if those 20 or so Governors flat out say that their state will nullify the Health Care Reform Act as unconstituional – wouldn't that shake Washington to its core? I believe ... See all content
States do not send the money to the IRS. Indivdiuals and businesses wire money directly from their bank accounts to the US Treasury. This is the #1 leverage of the Federal government.
I have thought long and hard about nullification for months. The problem is in the money. Take Tennessee for example. The State of Tennessee has about a $30 billion annual budget. Of that, about one third comes from the Federal Government. Most of that goes to medicaid, transportation and education. [Of course the Feds are getting this money from the taxes paid directly by individuals and businesses ... See all content
Debra Medina, who is running for Governor of Texas against Rick "Governor Gardasil" Perry and Sen. Kay "Bailout" Hutchison, today petitioned for Perry to convene a special session of the Texas Legislature for the purpose of nullifying the "health care" bill.
http://www.medinafortexas.com/getPost?p=182
Allen – great update, thanks for letting us know! Debra Medina is a fantastic candidate, and a signer of our 10-4 pledge. We have a recent interview of hers that'll be live here on the blog in the next day or so.
Debra Medina, who is running for Governor of Texas against Rick “Governor Gardasil” Perry and Sen. Kay “Bailout” Hutchison, today petitioned for Perry to convene a special session of the Texas Legislature for the purpose of nullifying the “health care” bill.
http://www.medinafortexas.com/getPost?p=182
States Nullification is the way to go http://bit.ly/1eV9Dt #tcot
Just fuckin' do it.
Talk it up.
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We cede our rights every time we line up at the public trough.
From your own comment – thousands marched. The politicians “got the message” and it didn’t make a difference. The bill passed.
And regarding the next elections, it’s as if you didn’t notice that all the groundwork for the current national health care plan was laid by Bush and the Republicans…..in 2003, those big-government criminals gave this country
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From your own comment - thousands marched. The politicians "got the message" and it didn't make a difference. The bill passed.
And regarding the next elections, it's as if you didn't notice that all the groundwork for the current national health care plan was laid by Bush and the Republicans.....in 2003, those big-government criminals gave this country the biggest expansion of government control
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Great posts, I have been looking for a comment on individual nullification. I was thinking more in terms of a mass ignore of the mandatory healthcare "law" if it goes that far. Obviously uncharted waters, and the question remains who/how many would have the backbone to test the Feds. If people are willing to stand up to the Feds over the ID or marijuanna issues, I would think they would stand ... See all content
Great posts, I have been looking for a comment on individual nullification. I was thinking more in terms of a mass ignore of the mandatory healthcare "law" if it goes that far. Obviously uncharted waters, and the question remains who/how many would have the backbone to test the Feds. If people are willing to stand up to the Feds over the ID or marijuanna issues, I would think they would stand ... See all content
If you really care about your freedom - the path to it is not in Washington D.C. http://alturl.com/2ite
> it’s to exercise our rights whether they want to give us “permission” to or not.
Great. You first.
I promise to contribute to your legal defense fund. And bring you cookies when you land in jail.
Or fight the fuckers and keep them from putting him in jail in the first place.
Not only must we Nullify at the State level, but we must also get Congressmen in at the Federal level who agree with you as I do. Not only, must we stop living in denial about the Bush and Republican Socialism, we must expose the very people behind the corruption in both parties.
To live in denial about this or to refuse to expose it is to "nullify" the efforts of the "10 Amendment
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Not only must we Nullify at the State level, but we must also get Congressmen in at the Federal level who agree with you as I do. Not only, must we stop living in denial about the Bush and Republican Socialism, we must expose the very people behind the corruption in both parties. To live in denial about this or to refuse to expose it is to "nullify" the efforts of the "10 Amendment Center" ... See all content
>Those of you who visit this site regularly already know that the health care vote yesterday is far from the end of things – and also know that even when it passes the Senate (which I assume some version will), it’s still not the end of the road for freedom
That's good. I thought that available health care was pretty much the end of any possibility of freedom. Didn't Patrick Henry cry:
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I agree with the escrow account – something that I have mentioned to a few people myself. Otherwise the movement will be seen as people just trying to get ahead personally, plus you have the personal conflict with the "pay unto Caesar" issue. I think the escrow account addresses both of those concerns; but as I say, I think there are alternatives prior to going that far.
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Some great points here – thanks for the perspective. Keep in mind – nullification is NOT simple – it is outright mass civil disobedience with the support of the state apparatus. There were no "requirements" for people who resisted federal marijuana laws here in CA (and now in 13 other states too). People and businesses resisted, and had some backing from the state government ... See all content
There is a place and time for everything. Demonstrating in Washington has been effective in some cases and is the most direct route (i.e., avoids the bad law in the first place). But when it fails, other action is needed – it might include nullification, civil disobedience, and other peaceful measures.
Due to the design of the RealID law, it could be easily silently nullified by state
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There is a place and time for everything. Demonstrating in Washington has been effective in some cases and is the most direct route (i.e., avoids the bad law in the first place). But when it fails, other action is needed - it might include nullification, civil disobedience, and other peaceful measures. Due to the design of the RealID law, it could be easily silently nullified by state legislatures ... See all content
Demand a check for your labor, take said check to issueing bank recieve FRNs, trade FRNsfor a more secure medium.
Oh, and don\\\'t forget - George Bush and his gang nationalized Freddie and Fannie - two giants of the banking industry. That also laid the groundwork for further nationalization under Obama. With all due respect, if you think the problems we face today started in Jan, 2009, you haven\\\'t been paying attention.
And I'll exercise my right to beg politicians to let me exercise my rights whether they like it or not!
The most effective way to do this is to show up in their bedrooms at 3am.
You republican supporters are the worst! The dems are awful…but they are at least honest about loving socialism! Bush was a freakin’ commie compared to the founders, and so are most of the rest of them in d.c.
How can people be so blind? Bush and the republican crooks grew government faster than clinton! And he nationalizedbplenty – AIG anyone?
So get with it. You
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You republican supporters are the worst! The dems are awful...but they are at least honest about loving socialism! Bush was a freakin' commie compared to the founders, and so are most of the rest of them in d.c.
How can people be so blind? Bush and the republican crooks grew government faster than clinton! And he nationalizedbplenty - AIG anyone?
So get with it. You people are the
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Oh, and don’t forget – George Bush and his gang nationalized Freddie and Fannie – two giants of the banking industry. That also laid the groundwork for further nationalization under Obama.
With all due respect, if you think the problems we face today started in Jan, 2009, you haven’t been paying attention.
Brenda, thanks for the feedback. To clarify – everything that's happening today started in the previous administration.
Government health care had a MASSIVE expansion under Bush, which laid the groundwork for Obama.
Bailouts started a long time ago, but big bank bailouts started under Bush, and were simply expanded by Obama.
The bottom line is pretty simple
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Brenda, thanks for the feedback. To clarify - everything that's happening today started in the previous administration. Government health care had a MASSIVE expansion under Bush, which laid the groundwork for Obama. Bailouts started a long time ago, but big bank bailouts started under Bush, and were simply expanded by Obama. The bottom line is pretty simple - each administration uses what the ... See all content
mr. Boldin i beg to disagree with you , MR. BUSH would never seizse control of our banking system and GM. or our national health care system, sure MR. BUSH did do some change's to medicare but de did not take it over as a government owned enity, so don't pull the old DEMOCRAT line that this MR, BUSH'S fault this is Democrat made oand owned
mr. Boldin i beg to disagree with you , MR. BUSH would never seizse control of our banking system and GM. or our national health care system, sure MR. BUSH did do some change's to medicare but de did not take it over as a government owned enity, so don't pull the old DEMOCRAT line that this MR, BUSH'S fault this is Democrat made oand owned
Ain't that the truth. Use it or lose it people!
But the point remains the same - what does that do to stop socialism? If the marches and calls to DC continue, and we still get national health care - what will be the next "solution" - to "vote the bums out in 2010? People have been voting the bums out for 100 years in this country. The result? There's been an almost constant march - a consistent, never-ending expansion of the ... See all content
The event was strenuous labor on the able-bodied- so I feel for the old and infirm- it must have been a Herculean effort. Truth is- THEY GOT the message. They heard us and they ignored us. The Blue Dogs and the RINO's were hiding under their desks, were "in a meeting" or otherwise unavailable. Just like when they take their phones and faxes off the hook, let their e-mail and voice mail ... See all content
Show me a march on DC that's reduced the size of government - or better yet, explain why we shouldn't promote what people like Jefferson and Madison recommended in situations like we face today??
Irespectfully disagree about not marching on Washington- but agree wholeheartedly about fighting at the local-state levels. I was at the House Call on the Congress last Thursday- along with about 40,000 other like-minded patriots. This 40,000 number comes from the head of the Capitol Police- even though the media downplayed it. Additionally- the horrendous Ft. Hood massacre took our efforts off the ... See all content
You say: "No more marches on Washington – they don’t work." Thanks a lot for being supportive of all angles of this movement. You can think it, but kindly keep your thoughts to yourself.
Which is fine. The reddest states can do all the bluster they want and nullify whatever laws they want, then watch while the smart people leave. Not that there were many there in the first place.
I'm sorry, that was a cheap shot and I'm better than that. I'm sure the nullification thing will happen though, the same way it did with medicare, which Reagan insisted would make it so we're no longer
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We are anxiously awaiting a big demonstration by the six ignorant sycophants who Dugg the equally ignorant blurb. The only thing they will get out of this is having ther names added to security-risk watch lists. Sick people!
If this is signed into law (and I am sure it will) and Kentucky won't nullify, I have no choice but to move to a more intelligent state that will nullify where we will be able to hold some freedoms.
Maybe all hope is not lost yet. Nullification sounds like the way to go.
Yes, states like Texas and Nevada are certainly more unique. Everywhere, obviously, it still is important to do something on a federal level - more for the principle than anything. But those who've put all their eggs in the Washington basket - I believe - are going to be seriously disappointed. Even in places like TX, it's essential to push on state reps to take action, speak out, and in ... See all content
Agreed; but, hey, I live in Texas and I think we are uniquely positioned to push back at the state level, but we just finished our legislative session, and won't have another until 2011. Can't wait that long.... We are fortunate to have a pretty great Congressional delegation in DC and will need to prod them to do more. By the way, we were there on 9/12 in DC and it was f***in awesome! Cheers; ... See all content
The point is - that activism and energy is best spent somewhere other than in DC. 20-25 states have been able to effectively nullify a federal law without a court challenge or the law being repealed - Real ID. 14 states have passed laws in direct contravention to federal laws on marijuana - and the feds don't have the manpower to deal with them. Health care is the same.... If you really care about ... See all content
I wouldn't say the marches on Washington have been ineffective; we have been ineffective in getting the word out during and after. Conservative patriots only have limited experience at this; it will come. The future is activism. Even the alphabet networks will start covering the conservative movement as their infatuation with BHO wears thinner, and as their ratings continue to plummet. Very important ... See all content
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