Cracks Appearing in Law Firm Associate Model:

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Reed Smith, the large Pittsburgh-based law firm, has announced a fundamental restructuring of its policies with regard to associate performance and promotion. According to an article in AmLaw Daily:

The firm has revamped its associate model, doing away with associate classes based strictly on entry date in favor of three associate groups that will have formal training from the time they enter the firm until they are ready to be considered for partnership. . . . The goal of the program is ...

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Mike McDougal 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Philosopher: I think that the average litigator would do a better job of teaching practical nuts-and-bolts litigation skills, for example, than a law school professor.

The three best professors I had in law school were practicing adjuncts. And their classes weren’t “nuts and bolts” classes. They were fairly normal upper class courses.

I wouldn’t say I had any truly bad professors
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Careless 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

(bar exam, of course. A bar school graduate got me drunk earlier)

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Careless 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Ok, I’ll ask as someone on the outside: how big is the difference between law school education, bar school requirements, and the law firm job requirements that follow? In other words, if there’s a disconnect between law school and the employers, is it because of the bar exam, or aside from it?

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Cornellian 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

but I’m also certain that there are lots and lots of things I and my colleagues can teach more effectively than they can.

If by “things” you mean something relevant to legal practice, then I’m wracking my brains trying to think of what those things might be. Most of the law professors I’ve met know almost nothing about legal practice.

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Cornellian 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

The big firm business model is certainly broken, but lockstep associate compensation isn’t the reason.

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yankee 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

David Bernstein: A lot of these problems would be resolved if law school were part of a 4 or 5 year undergrad degree, with training like a residency expected thereafter for a year or two.

Wow, a rare point on which I agree with David Bernstein!

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RR 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

yankee:

You forgot to mention: much lower standards for publication.Very little of what passes for legal scholarship would withstand peer review in a journal of political science, public policy, economics, sociology, or political philosophy.

So true. One of my classmates had a PhD in a non-science discipline and was constantly appalled at what passed for scholarship, even at Chicago
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David Bernstein 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

A lot of these problems would be resolved if law school were part of a 4 or 5 year undergrad degree, with training like a residency expected thereafter for a year or two.

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ArrowSmith 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

That assumes that law schools are trying to do that; they aren’t. Maybe they should be, but they aren’t. Law schools don’t think of themselves as trade schools.

Well maybe they think of themselves way too highly. What do they think they’re turning out artists?

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U. Ill. grad 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Plenty of people have been complaining in the last decade or so about the fact that law schools do a poor job of preparing their students for the actual tasks they will be called upon to undertake as practicing lawyers.

Last decade? I was complaining in the 1970s.

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David Nieporent 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

You mean law schools have three years to teach students core competencies and can’t do it? Whose idea was it to come up with a useless curriculum?

Not that this is news to anyone, but frankly, any teaching program that fails to deliver needed basics in three years is by any account a failure. And an expensive one at that.

That assumes that law schools are trying to do that; they aren’t
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yankee 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

RR: What I gathered from it is that there are lot of law professors who essentially should be in the political science or public policy schools but don’t want to deal with the trouble of, you know, actually putting in the work of getting a PhD. Law prof: Less up-front work, and more prestige / higher pay than your grad school colleagues. What’s not to like?

You forgot to mention: much lower
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RR 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

At my alma mater (Chicago), one of the most popular young professors (who’s no longer there) gave a talk on his view of the future of legal education. His view was that law schools should sort themselves into two categories: trade schools and post-graduate schools for the training of academics. He left no question that he preferred the latter.

What I gathered from it is that there are lot
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matt c 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

oh please, lawyering is incredibly easy...which is why so many paralegals and secretaries do half the work. teaching legal strategy is the hard part and it comes from going to hearings, not writing briefs or doing legal research or having attended three years of classes.

frankly, the idea that good lawyering is hard to come by is ridiculous and only serves to venerate the legal profession
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theobromophile 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Associates won’t be able to move to the next tier until they have met those requirements. Compensation will be tied to those competencies by 2011 as well.

Currently, one of the few (or only) indicators of merit that law firms have, or seem to use, is alma mater and law review membership. While those things certainly indicate intelligence and diligence, they don’t always translate into good
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Mark Field 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

I think that the average litigator would do a better job of teaching practical nuts-and-bolts litigation skills, for example, than a law school professor.

You’d think so, but a lot of adjunct profs aren’t very good. Teaching is itself a skill, and not an easy one to learn. Neither professors — mostly hired for their scholarship, as already noted — nor partners (good at generating business
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Philosopher 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Law professors aren’t hired based upon their ability to teach. They’re hired based upon their scholarship.

I think that the average litigator would do a better job of teaching practical nuts-and-bolts litigation skills, for example, than a law school professor. Similarly, partners at a firm are probably just as good, if not better, at teaching associates what they need to know about a typical
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Randy 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

You mean law schools have three years to teach students core competencies and can’t do it? Whose idea was it to come up with a useless curriculum?

Not that this is news to anyone, but frankly, any teaching program that fails to deliver needed basics in three years is by any account a failure. And an expensive one at that.

I agree that teaching the business end of law school is outside
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Mike McDougal 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

yankee: The real purpose of this change is to drive down average associate compensation by making compensation less transparent.

I’m not so sure it’s the purpose, but it’s at least one likely side effect.

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Duffy Pratt 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Claiming to teach particular legal business related skills has another advantage for the firm. It offers something to prospective associates that they can take with them when they get the boot. If they can market this aspect properly to prospective associates, they may be in a position to pay them less up front, and then kick them out earlier when they don’t meet whatever standards they put into place ... See all content

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practicing lawyer 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Law schools do a great job at teaching law, and a bad job at teaching law practice– perhaps in many ways this is unavoidable. But I doubt that traditional legal academics would be able to help a firm with programs like this, other than in CLE-type courses.

The courses dealing with client relations, rainmaking, and the like– heck, even the parts about the ins-and-outs of daily practice– are
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yankee 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

Compensation is, after all, supposed to bear some relationship — a close relationship, in a competitive market — to the actual skills that individuals possess and the manner in which they can deliver value to firm clients

It is? I thought it was supposed to bear a relationship to supply and demand, which has only a tenuous relationship to “the manner in which they can deliver value to firm
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Mike McDougal 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress

but I’m also certain that there are lots and lots of things I and my colleagues can teach more effectively than they can.

Like . . .

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