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Phillip from Warszawa, Poland
Phillip from Warszawa, Poland
Updated 2 months, 3 weeks ago
Source: http://www.samuelfolkes.com/
Great post, although I have to disagree with a few points. While I do feel that valid markup could be better supported on the top sites you mention, I don’t think invalid code means these sites aren’t supporting web standards.
They are using correct doc types, using CSS for separating presentation from the content , and avoiding using tables for layouts. Which already shows a great deal of support for standards based design practices.
I don’t feel that validation ...
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revellresearch 2 months, 3 weeks ago on Twitter
@SamuelFolkes - An excellent post on the compliance of web sites world-wide with the acknowledged standards: http://bit.ly/34TaS9
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Alastair Revell 2 months, 3 weeks ago on Wordpress
Samuel
I largely agree with your interesting post.
I really don’t understand why web designers continue to fail to produce compliant code and why many try to defend this!
Three thoughts (in no particular order!):-
(1) Pages with compliant-code often receive much better results in search engines, so why pay for web designers who damage your chances of being
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Matthew Weier O'Phinney 3 months ago on Wordpress
You raise some excellent points. However, one thing to note: the W3C X/HTML validators do not accurately validate the specifications. As an example, the specifications actually allow for arbitrary attributes for any given element; the validators do not, and will flag these as errors. If we cannot depend on the tools, how can we possibly expect the browsers to follow suit?
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typografia 3 months ago on Wordpress
You forgot to mention Wikipedia, which is ”one of the largest, most popular…” .
Wikipedia is a semantic and markup model.
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HazierPhonics 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
I think you'll agree that standards are better, though...
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Darryl Strachan 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Hey Sam!
Respectable article, but the one thing I’d say is that the FCC sure had an easier time setting a standard when there were at most 50 radio stations (if so many). Like most things in this world, development of pages with valid Markup is driven by cost. How much time does it take for a youtube.com developer to produce perfectly valid markup and what additional benefits does this
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Tweets that mention Web Standards Compliance (Or The Lack Thereof) -- Topsy.com 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Samuel Folkes. Samuel Folkes said: On SamuelFolkes.com: Web Standards Compliance (Or The Lack Thereof) http://bit.ly/kk1Uh [...]
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Rengelly_MF 3 months, 1 week ago on Twitter
Web Standards Compliance (Or The Lack Thereof) http://bit.ly/3qB3uS
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Tet 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Also of concern is that both Yahoo.com and Youtube.com, both websites in the top 10 most visited websites in the world, are using HTML 4.01 markup which on the 24th of December this year will be a 10 year old specification.
It’s a shame that you spoil an otherwise good post with this. The age of the spec is irrelevant, particularly given that XHTML 1.0 (which you seem to prefer) offers
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Sam 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
@Phillip – While I agree that markup validation isn’t the only factor to be considered I strongly feel that it is one of the key factors. I am aware that some pages on my site are not valid and frustration with some of the plugin authors for WordPress was one of the motivating factors for writing this post. The digg, dzone and retweet widgets are the culprits and it annoys me a great deal ... See all content
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tek_news 3 months, 1 week ago on Twitter
Reddit/p: 13 of the largest, most popular in the world serve us webpages containing invalid markup http://bit.ly/giqFh
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MidnightTurdBurglar 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
You just made me do it! Epic fail at preventing "epic fail" reading!
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must_submit_this_pic 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Loving the "I'm a tough guy, who cares about invalid mark-up!" attitude here... Some of these things are pretty blatant.
Forgetting to XML/HTML-escape an attribute value? Of course I'll forget, _all the time_, that's why I man up and just use something like `printf` to generate markup.
What will a browser do when I ask it to `getElementById` and I have two elements with the ID I
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Anonymous 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samuelfolkes.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fweb-standards-compliance-or-the-lack-thereof%2F
33 Errors, 11 warning(s) of your own blog
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alekseykorzun 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Guy with horrible code on a word press blog criticizes 13 largest web sites in the world.
News at 11, don't miss this one!
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bluGill 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Standards compliant is the way to a perfectly working webpage. Anything else is a road to madness. Firefox is get updated again (probably in the next month), and that update will change the way they to layout. Same for Konqueror, Safari (not to mention the million users of webkit, all on slightly different versions), Opera, and IE. While you can expect the major layout changes will wait for a large ... See all content
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Shadowhand 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Changed my downvote to an upvote because: people need to get over invalid markup. If you aim for valid markup and then have to invalid it to make JS or something work, that is totally acceptable. Case in point: Google.
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schnalle 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
we all know why the google search page doesn’t adhere to the standards: every byte counts. they’re a special case.
the others? not so much. i agree they should try harder.
um … one thing i find interesting: try running this page through the validator: 33 Errors, 11 warning(s)
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Eoin 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
You seem to be forgetting the most important aspect, the price.
A simple when served hundreds of millions of times ends up being Mbs of bandwidth. If it’s possible to miss out a few tags while having the same rendering and save thousands of dollars per year in delivery costs, wouldn’t you do it too ?
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Falaina 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
webpages should not be designed for browsers, they should be designed to meet predefined standards!
I disagree on both counts, webpages should be designed with the user in mind. If omitting some ‘required’ tags can allow a smaller page (or whatever it may allow) , and a better average user experience for all of the site’s users without any loss in content/interface, who
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jmswlms 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Try the google home page: [39 Errors, 2 warning(s)](http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0).
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RabidRaccoon 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Exactly. Validators complain about things like
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
Actually if you have an ancient website that originally worked with IE3 and NS4 it is full of things that modern browsers still support but predate the official standard. In this case scripts default to Javascript on anything. Only IE supported VBScript as an alternative. Still the standards way
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Rudd 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
I don't know if this is the reason many of the sites (or even if it's the reason for google) don't pass, but I do remember an article on Google about compressing page size: http://code.google.com/speed/articles/optimizing-html.html that might cause issues with strict standards compliance but still render properly.
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l0jack 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
First thing I did after reading: "I am a stickler for standards." was fire up the W3C validator and plug in the URL of the blog post.
With that said if you site only has minor issues and isn't throwing IE into quirks mode then why bother. If it really was an issue then I'm fairly certain those 13 websites would follow standards.
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dlsspy 3 months, 1 week ago on Reddit
Yeah, but on that particular page: [33 Errors, 11 warning(s) ](http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.samuelfolkes.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fweb-standards-compliance-or-the-lack-thereof%2F)
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Phillip 3 months, 1 week ago on Wordpress
Great post, although I have to disagree with a few points. While I do feel that valid markup could be better supported on the top sites you mention, I don’t think invalid code means these sites aren’t supporting web standards.
They are using correct doc types, using CSS for separating presentation from the content , and avoiding using tables for layouts. Which already shows a
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SamuelFolkes 3 months, 1 week ago on Twitter
On SamuelFolkes.com: Web Standards Compliance (Or The Lack Thereof) http://bit.ly/kk1Uh
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