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http://www.hendersounds.com/?p=274

thats it then.

put that on an iPad (and BTW this is $5 … so indeed “less than $20″) … and anyone who knows a tiny bit of max will be able to make myriad specific control surfaces for specific tasks. i’ve been waiting for this for years. killer.

not to take anything away from the lemur, which has a lot of specific stuff going on that is well hip, and will remain so for those using it, but the enormous price difference and the large (and, thanks to max4live, currently quickly expanding) max community will, IMHO, make the iPad/Max (with for some, though not all, M4L) combination the killer Lemur/KaosPad/EtchASketch-like thingo out there.

Peter, though I am ususally fairly closely in tune with your take on bleeding edge tech releases, I thought (though I couldn’t agree more with you on the open/closed/appstore issues that you highlighted) that you seemed to have missed the significance of the iPad a little. Despite all those issues, and that, yes, it is just a very big iPod touch … I think it’s a real game changer … surely the release of hendersounds c74 app makes that clearer than ever … no ? (not trying to highjack the lemur thread, just saying … ;-) ... See all content Hide content

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this isn’t the first time i’ve been turned on to this plug, which appears to be potentially very interesting to me, but … this very dark brown (black?) text on dark brown buttons on marginally lighter brown background which has yellow-brown text on it ????.

I have no moral or even aesthetic problem with the “shades of excrement” theme, but i do have a fairly big problem with not being able to read what the damn buttons are supposed to do.

as for people dissing this blog … i don’t care how many shit coloured interfaces Peter puts on show here, its the most consistently interesting dawelectroidmish thing out there … thanks peter … ... See all content Hide content

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some very strange reactions on here

Live is a remarkable DAW – it still has major weaknesses ( no half way decent automation curves, or quarter way decent crossfades being amonst them) but it also has a lot of major strengths and unique features.

If it isn’t right for you, fine, use something else … for those of us who find, despite the weaknesses, that it IS what they want to use for some or all of their work … there is now a new and unique set of possibilities available, that we can choose to add, or not.

Is the implementation perfect ? undoubtedly not, but even as it is, the possibilities it opens up are so vast, and to many of us so damn interesting that for people to be complaining that they could / should not have gone with C74 and have done it from scratch seems just crazy.

why don’t you go complain that digidesign haven’t written an in-house PD for PT ?

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“you have ableton and cycling both basically admitting that they are planning on using other people’s work to make their product one worth buying”

nonsense

if you would like to be able to, ahem, “extend” Live yourself, and / or use other people’s “extensions” … you get m4l, .. if not, don’t … why should ableton “admit” this ? is it something to be ashamed of ? for me it seems to be just about the single most exciting & liberating thing to happen to electronic music making in quite a while … as for c74, their ‘product’ – max -has always been about what you, or others, can so with it , rather than what comes out of the box … thats the whole point of Max ! so they probably do”admit” to that heinous crime too ;-)

… and, just to throw the pigeon amongst the cats, i wouldn’t be too sure about this “absolutely no way to lock down your content” thing, at least in the medium term … i don’t know the details, but at the m4l “launch” at Ircam in Paris, Ircam announced the Ircamax plugs for m4l which are definitely going to be sold and are supposedly going to be protected & locked … they’re not saying how (maybe they don’t know ;-)) but thats what was said … so its very, very early days in the m4l ecosystem … ... See all content Hide content

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> salamander “perhaps you missed this quote?”

no i didn’t miss it, i just don’t see that there is anything wrong with that. the same could be said for reaktor … so what ? if people want to buy it for that purpose, fine with me ! there’s nothing shameful to “admit” !

i bought Max/MSP and use it primarily to program my own patches and I also bought Reaktor and use it primarily to use other people’s creations. I’m extremely happy with both and consider both excellent value for money compared to pretty much anything else out there.

I have now bought m4l and will use it both for my own patches and other peoples … should i be ashamed ?? ;-)

i can certainly see why many people would be happy to see a cheap m4l runtime, and maybe it will happen sooner or later, till then what we’ve got is IMHO a fantastic and exciting step forward ….

as for : “seeing as max/msp patches can be edited and copied just by hitting the unlock button i’m not sure how they’ll achieve locking down content ”

as I alreday said i’m not sure how either, but they are going to be sellling it (the IrcaMAX maxforlive patch bundle) (… for $99 if i remember correctly) and I specifically asked (at the Paris launch event) if it would be unlockable / editable and was told : NO ! … so …

Actually I don’t really see why it would be so hard to make it possible to lock m4l patches … maybe they will offer this possibility to “content creation partners” or something …. dunno … it’s pure speculation at this point, but that is DEFINITELY what Ircam were saying …. ... See all content Hide content

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i’ve been using Live professionally – from version 1.0 on – to make scores of film soundtracks, a few records and occasional concerts.

I know of no other even remotely comparable program that has so consistently and rapidly innovated as it develops from release to release. During this development the stability of the program has had it’s up and downs from version to version, though for my purposes over the years I have found it significantly more stable than most other music/audio programs I have used.

Over the last year Ableton have, in addition to other regular ongoing development, taken on two extra challenges, on the one hand building the basis for a perhaps imperfect, but already very useful, integration with bespoke control surfaces … and on the other hand, and here we are in territory that NO OTHER audio program/company has ever even come close to attempting … opened the magic box of integration with Max … something that I firmly believe will come to be seen as a very major milestone in the development of making music with computers.

It seems obvious that a great deal of developmental resources have been devoted to these challenges, and it seems that the stability of the program has taken a temporary hit because of it. The bossmen at Ableton are coming out and saying that they screwed up a little in the balance of allocating resources to development versus stability and now they are going to swing that balance right back the other way to get the stability back where it should be.

Not only are they saying that they are going to put the resources where they need to be to get stability back to where it should be, but THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADMITTING THEY SCREWED UP a little on this to their users.

To me this seems like pretty responsible adult behaviour, and a very welcome change from the way that so many other companies (that I have since stopped giving money to) flatly ignore the problems that they have created for their users. Of course, like everybody else, i’d prefer no problems in the first place, but, call me a fanboy if you will, i’m having a pretty hard time trying to hate Ableton right now ! ... See all content Hide content

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@ salamanderanagramsa : “the equation you’re trying to make would look a lot different if you used the real price.”

it IS the real price today, it will POSSIBLY become 50 € (basic) or 100 € (suite) if they don’t make another special offer or bundle or whatever … but whatever, even at 50 €/ 100 € more its STILL cheaper than Reason however you do the math

@ salamanderanagramsa :” i just bought reaktor for $99. to say that reaktor is 1/3 the price of max for live would be disingenuous, because reaktor is actually a $400 program, even if i got it for less.”

I disagree. What proportion of Reakter users actually paid $400 for it ? I would guess very few. It’s realworld streetprice that counts.

NI always have some “special” “offer” on so if you don’t get Reaktor as part of Kompletely Krackers Kristmas Krap i’m sure you’ll get another chance at a “super reduced never to be repeated special offer price” just as soon as that offer ends … ... See all content Hide content

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@beats me “they should sell a stable version whilst prolonging the beta period of it’s replacement – so that when they start charging people for it, it is up to scratch and does what it is supposed to do.

That’s not hard to grasp is it ?”

what makes you think i don’t grasp it ? or even agree with it for that matter?

(since I have never commented on that particular point.)

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@ beats me: ok this is getting nowhere, so its my last post here unless something more interesting comes up.

“other people are pissed off”: yes i know. i’m pissed off about certain things too. but FOR ME what i’m extremely enthusiastic about outweighs what i’m unhappy about, so I will continue to give Ableton money unless that changes. I have never suggested that no-one is pissed off, nor that they didn’t have a right to be. Damn, even the Ableton management have c ome right out and said that. No-one is arguing about that … except for you apparently?

I’m not completely “content” – certainly not with the current stability of the program, but I’m certainly happy that (unlike most every other comparable company) Ableton have openly addressed this (in words) and are (hopefully) trying to address it in deeds. So, once again people are not “wrong” to be “pissed off” – i never suggested they were- so some people, including yourself on numerous occasions have said many things which were either factually wrong, or were in my oh so humble opinion disingenious, dishonest or just a little bit sillu. Being pissed off about instability is something totally disserent.

“so why argue or act the pedant or blither on about moot price differences.”

if you look at the thread you’ll see that the people who brought up “moot price differences” were those, including your good self, trying to use the price of Live to, ahem, beat on Ableton. I was simply quoting current real world prices to help give some perspective.

But anyway, look, i think we both know what the other person thinks on this right ?, and i’m not sure that there’s anyone else out there listening anymore, so lets just agree to disagree, shall we ?

I really hope the current generation of the program rapidly becomes more stable for you, for me and for everyone else. Afterwards you, me and everyone else will decide whether we want to buy the next paying update, and life will go on …

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@beats off : c’mon lets not start insulting each others user names here … its just a friendly discussion

“what matters is what Ableton are WILLING to take off each customer and what they GIVE in return.”

yes. you are right. and for my purposes, up till now, I consider that what they have “given” me – as you put it – has been well worth what it has cost me. Hence I stay on the train. If it isn’t for you, don’t give them any more money until it seems worth it for you.

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